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    Brian Keaney

    ARTICLE THIRTY ... end round.

    by: cebonvini

    Tue May 05, 2009 at 14:24:45 PM EDT


    (For those of you without a handy copy of the warrant, Article 30 lets the Chief of Police decide when a road construction project or large gathering needs to have a paid police detail on hand.   - promoted by Brian)

    Since I was to lazy to scrounge up ten signatures to try and become a TM rep, I'll blog my thoughts ... thank you up front for reading.

    To Town Meeting Menbers and those interested;

    Concerning Article Thirty on the 2009 TM warrant, I feel this is a local end round of a well thought out provision put forth by the state.

    http://www.eot.state.ma.us/def...

    cebonvini :: ARTICLE THIRTY ... end round.
    Oh, the arguement of the local guy knows best just doesn't cut it in my view. Read the above and click through some of the link/pages and you'll see that this is just not a paper, but has real substance. This was by the way developed with law enforcement.

    In this case I see no reason to implement a overriding local by-law to a perfectly good state law. If it's jobs you are concerned with, actually the new law creates jobs, not keeping the function consolidated under folks already with a specific job scope (law enforcement).

    Not being mean spirited here, as the statute is written, local law enforcement is involved in making sure that the newly defined function on flaggers are approved and submitted locally. I do urge you to read the link.

    Thank you

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    Flagmen (0.00 / 0)
    Many people, including those on the FinCom and the By-law Review Committee have questioned whether this will impede the Town from employing flagmen.  However, under the terms of the police patrol officer's contract, they can't be used anyway.  From Article VI (G):


    Where construction, an event or other circumstance makes it prudent to control or direct traffic that work shall be considered to be work to be performed by a uniformed police officer to be paid pursuant to the terms of this article.



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    Thanks ... so next step (0.00 / 0)
    Thank you Brian.
    Any plans for the Board to remove that language?

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    I don't know (0.00 / 0)
    You would have to ask them, but I doubt they will talk to you about a ongoing contract negotiation matter.  If you feel that strongly about it, though, you could ask them to take it out.  They may not currently plan to do so, but they have to return to the voters every three years.

    myDedham.org - a community since 1636 and online since 2007!

    [ Parent ]
    Thanks ... so next step (0.00 / 0)
    Thank you Brian.
    Any plans for the Board to remove that language?

    [ Parent ]
    So why have the article? (0.00 / 0)
    Is it the intent of the Selectman to remove the wording from the next contract, thus the Chief want something in place to keep the police details?

    I'm a bit jaded about this particular issue, as 49 other states in the USA seem to get by just dandy with Flagmen.

    Example of excess; when the MWRA was laying the pipe down the VFW, I counted SIX patrol cars deployed for traffic control/safety .... for three guys working in the road (which they were all together in one hole).

    Where does all this get charged? Back to us, the rate payers!


    Rates (0.00 / 0)
    Do you really think that rates would go down regardless of if there were police officers, flagmen, or nobody doing the detail? These companies always seem to figure out a way to raise rates, and I highly doubt that removing a police detail will result in these companies lowering the taxpayers rates. They will always find a way to make us pay.

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    Depends (0.00 / 0)
    On private company work, like Nstar/Telephone companies, probably not. On government projects like road/sewer/water repairs, yes. As these costs need to shown.

    either way ... I feel it is a huge waste of resources. And why not employee another person. Boost that simulus we're suppose to be getting ;)


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    Cash Flow (0.00 / 0)
    Cash is king, and if the contractors can find a way to reduce the amount of cash they need to expend on day-to-day operations they will improve their cash flow and increase their liquidity.  Details are simply a zero-sum ledger item that they make no profit from.

    Weir repeated the same old canard about Massachusetts being a "prevailing wage" state where flagmen must be paid at roughly the same rate as current detail officers:

    Weir countered by telling McKinney that the prevailing wage for a flagman was $37.50 an hour, and the cost of a police detail was $38. "There is no savings," Weir said.

    I've heard this a hundred times and you know what?

    THAT IS A LIE

    Prevailing wages only apply to "All workers engaged in actual public works construction on the site."  Police hired for details are not engaged in construction, they are monitoring public safety - and if you don't think so, ask them.  If the police are not performing construction functions, the people who replace them are also, therefore, not construction workers.  By definition, they are not subject to prevailing wage laws.

    The whole "prevailing wage" argument is a lie perpetuated by law enforcement officials across the state to turn public opinion away from flagmen.  It's truly disappointing that Chief Weir is either purposely passing along information he knows to be untrue, or that he is so badly misinformed that he believes the lie to be the truth.


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